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PostSubject: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeMon May 05, 2008 8:19 pm

Okay I THINK I've ironed most of the kinks. How does this look for a unified system?

Elements (Completely re-the-fuck-done)
There are many "elements" found throughout the world. However there are only a few "True Elements", which have various categories and sub-types as listed below.

Factions: All true elements(yes there are false elements. Ask ChaosWizKid) fall under either Chaotic or Orderly factions based on what the most pure representation of them is.

"Pure" Representations: Every base element has a most pure form or representation of it. The pure forms are significantly diffrent in use and can be used independantly of their base element.

So without further ado, elemental chart!

Chaotic Faction======> Pure Form
Darkness============> Void
Fire==============> Lightning
Wind==============> Storm
Orderly Faction
======> Pure Form
Light===============> Laser
Water==============> Ice
Earth==============> Metal



Gods
1) Kar’Kaish-The most powerful god/goddess, having dominion
over all, and gains power from conflict. (Note: Kar'Kaish is a SHE)

2) Original Gods-These are the gods of Life and Death from the mythos. They are
more powerful than any of the other gods with the exception of Kar'Kaish

3) Elemental Lords-These gods (in actuality they are the aggregate minds of all
elementals of an element, the most powerful elemental acting as the hive-mind’s
mouthpiece and hand) rule over a single element. While it is possible to work
with this element without their blessing true mastery over it almost always
requires it. They are known to make deals and take mortal champions. They do
not require worship, drawing power from the level of dominance their element
has over the mortal plane. While the terms "good" and "evil"
cannot be applied to them they seek above all else that their element should
dominate all others. There are only Elemental Lords of the 4 elements the "pure"
form of an element is still ruled over by the same Elemental Lord. There are no
Elemental Lords of Chaos or Order but there are several Created Gods for both.

4) Created Gods-Gods that are created by mortals. They start out as some focus
of belief and grow as more and more people believe in them. These gods need
continued belief to exist, to them belief is much like food, the greater the
show of belief and faith in them the greater the nourishment. Usually the
weakest of all the gods, there are rare exceptions where they can stand equal
to even an Original God. Usually when a god who is widely believed in has a
very specific purpose, as a great amount of power (belief) is focused into a
small area (very specific purpose) however in general they are on the bottom
rung.
Subtypes include
The Wasted-those who are not worshiped at all, still gods but super weak, near
mortal level (still above mortal level. The strongest of mortals might just be
able to stand against them)
The Forgotten-those who have been forgotten entirely, stronger than Wasted but
mortal, have a limited pool of belief. Use of god-like powers diminishes it.


Influence &
Morality of Elements & Gods:

Elements: The elements (and their elemental gods), are
neither good nor evil however they all seek to increase their dominance in the
world. Each element has a different way of increasing their dominance (though
directly opposing elements methods are often just the inverse of the other).
However all of them seek to use thinking creature’s as pawns. To this extent
the more one person makes use of an element the more familiar with it they
become the more they want to use it(on a side note they also become more
devoted to Chaos/Order if thy exclusively use Chaotic/Orderly elements.
At the end of this road they become almost totally devoted to that element,
and use it exclusively, living almost for the sole purpose of increasing said
elements influence. However this influence can always be broken by application
of some purifying force OR by applying an equal amount of influence of the
opposing element. There is no such thing as an un-erasable influence; however
over time the influence built up over many years begins to require such a huge
amount of force or opposing influence to remove that they are practically incurable.

Gods: No one knows what the Kar’Kaish or the Original Gods
want, the Elemental Gods can be considered thinking representations of their
element, and the Created Gods want to increase their believer base and thus the
amount of worship and sacrifice they receive. Different gods use different methods
to do this.


MAGIC
Magic is the use of a source of mystic energy to accomplish
something.
The sources of mystic energy are many and diverse but the
ones we need be most concerned with are:

Mana, Elemental Blood, Ritual Energy.

Mana
Mana in its' base state is not attuned to any element, and as such cannot work
any spell that requires that element. Spell casting works thusly. We have a spell
that makes use of elements W, X, Y, Z and contains a non-elemental portion. The
caster devotes an amount of Mana towards the spell. That Mana is then sectioned
into 5 pieces (because there are 4 elements and non-elemental requirements) the
first pieces are “attuned” to the proper element and recombined with the 5th
(still non-elemental) piece. The caster then shapes the Mana into the
appropriate spell and let’s flies. It should be noted that the above is a very
advanced spell, as combing multiple elements (especially directly opposing
elements) is extremely difficult. About attuning: Anyone with Mana can attune
some portion or all of their Mana to an element; how closely it is attuned
reflects how efficient it is as a component in a spell. Full attunement is
almost impossible, and even values near it can only be reached through a pact
with the appropriate elemental god. All intelligent creatures have a standing Mana
“aura” which stops other spells from affecting them directly. For example one
can throw a fireball; one cannot cast a spell like “Explode Person”. Similarly
mind control of a thinking creature is impossible but a suggestion spell is
possible. If you can find a way to do something without an element then feel
free, but keep in mind the level of scientific know-how in this universe is low,
so advanced tricks are not going to be allowed.

Elemental Blood
I’m sure Chaos will publish the basics of what elemental blood is and how it
works soon. Until then badger him unceasingly.

Ritual Energy
No one understands the how or why of this. However it's possible to cast magic
without Mana by performing certain rituals. These usually involve long times
spent chanting, circles with patterns inscribed inside them, ashes, semantic components
etc. etc. All of them involve giving something up. Be it memory, time, blood
etc. It seems to function on
same basis as sacrifice to the gods. The more that is given up the greater the
effect. The ritual itself can be seen as
a very complex order form. Certain shapes, inscribed lines and semantic
components detail what spell is requested, the rest is the payment for the
spell. This is usually only used when the Mana required to cast a spell
normally cannot be gathered. However if something is impossible by the
principles of magic it’s still impossible here.


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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeTue May 06, 2008 7:29 pm

We need to define pact magic...

So this will be the official list of systems? So when any other system will be ratified, we include it into this list, or will they all be seperate?
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeTue May 06, 2008 7:31 pm

I would suggest adding it onto the publicly viewable version of this list. So if there are any glring inconsistencies we'll see it soon, Pact magic is probably a big ritual done by both the paactee and the...probably elemental lord
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeTue May 06, 2008 7:40 pm

Hmm... I appr... AAHHHH! I CANT HIT THE KEY BESIDE THE I AND P KEYS! IT SCARES ME!!!!! EEEEEEKKK!!!!!!!!!

Anyways... after that invisible letter, there will be a V, and an E. But... since that letter IS missing... I can't say that I appr-ve, because I didn't say it in full. xD
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeWed May 07, 2008 12:45 am

Well considering other forms of magic that do not as such require mana or rituals, I would say that they are like being infused with or bestowed by another being capable of those things. So like an avatar of a god draws its power directly from that god (meaning that they have almost limitless power, depending on how much their body can take), and in other cases they will have been pacts and rituals in the past that leave a lingering magical presence in the being.
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeWed May 07, 2008 6:01 am

what's the diff between water and storm? as well as storm and lighting?

also with pact magic my theory would be a bond of magic links the pactee to the (insert name) and when the pactee sends magic thru the bond to the pactor he would be able to harness the magical energy . for the bond of magic it would probably take some form of jewellery or accesory
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeWed May 07, 2008 7:35 am

If I understand this correctly pact magic will be like "linking" from the Wheel of Time?
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeWed May 07, 2008 12:16 pm

Okay "storm" is a misnomer. I did it for brevity.
"Storm" is things like tornados, hurricane, duststorms, and powerful wind storms. Wind's most pure form is only achieved when acting over a large area, changing the local weather/environs, as opposed to more concentrated forms of wind (like Xootie's wind bullets).
So rain and lightning aren't related to storm.


Pacts are done in various ways, usually a large and complex ritual between the one seeking the pact and the one with the power, almost always requiring something from both parties (i.e. pact with lets say... the Water Lord might require the pactee to allow himself to be possessed for 10 minutes everyday, or he might have to give a certain amount of blood per unit time, or dedicate rivers to the Water Lord, something that gives the Water Lord some thing he wants/would like, in return the pactee gets magical water of awesome healing or maybe just gets better attunement to water(though not to Ice, seperate agreement needed for the pure forms) or perhaps you do this for a once off...like say convincing him to make a tidal wave strike a certain coastal city.) In either case between finding the one to pact with, coming to an agreement of terms(any being of power worth it's salt will be outright offended if you offer it a deal that's NOT slanted towards it, and it takes ages to talk them down) and then finally the ritual itself, which can have some really rough terms (Worst Case Scenario: it might require continous chanting from both parties while in an uncomfortable position for a straight week...meaning you would have to get a long-ass speech memorized and must recite it word-perfect while not sleeping for a full week.)
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeWed May 07, 2008 1:27 pm

I'd like to say that rituals for pact links are at full descretion of the one granting the pact.

A Lord may only require you slice your finger and drop blood onto a knife placed on an altar, or that you bind one leg to the back of your other leg and hop on one foot, while spinning, for five miles. Again, it's completely at the discretion of the Elemental Lord.

As for the form of the pact, that's also up to the Elemental Lord, whether it be a permanent rune charged with their power to be unleashed, or a trinket, or a skeleton that must always hug your leg... FOREVER.
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeThu May 08, 2008 2:36 am

lol i dont think elemental lords of sick senses of humour
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PostSubject: Re: Reconciled Systems   Reconciled Systems Icon_minitimeThu May 08, 2008 5:02 am

Xootie, don't be ignorant. Of course they have a sick sense of humour.
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